That's pretty funny. I usually think the whole "flip flopper" argument is pretty stupid because I don't think there is anything wrong with changing your position based on further knowlege and experience. I don't see it as a flaw to acknowledge that you were wrong and to change direction based on increased enlightenment. But I have to admit that I am getting a little annoyed at the quantity of Romney's flip flops. It seems to me that on every issue that I hear him talk about he is tacking hard to the right in an effort to pander to the far right of the republican party.
Please consider my comments in light of the fact that I volunteered at a Romney campaign event. In Urban Meyer speak, I'm invested in the process. With that caveat, my opinion has always been that actions speak louder than words. Romney's actions, particularly as Governor of Mass. speak to my sensibilities--He balanced the budget four years straight, opposed gay marriage, and effected sound social legislation. The fact that he shares my religious beliefs doesn't hurt, but I view that as frosting, not the cake. I should also say that since working in government, my personal politics have shifted somewhat to the right, particularly on domestic issues. The war is another, very complicated matter. While I'm deeply embarassed that we justified our actions with false information and failed to appreciate or plan for the uncertainty of war, I believe that we have an obligation to mitigate the damage to our troops and to the Iraqi people, and that to cut back support or withdraw would be a huge mistake.
Coming into this whole process, I was excited about Romney. He seemed like a smart, capable, practical guy. I really liked his body of work as well: extremely succesfull businesman, great job on the Olympics, great job as the governor of Massachusets (his health care reform was brilliant and is now the model a number of states are trying to follow, he ballanced the budget, and he fought the Massachusetts Supreme Court's gay marriage ruling while still respecting the role of the judiciary).
But what has been bothering me lately is his concerted effort to be seen as the most conservative of the major candidates. Remember when that was a bad position to be in (i.e. Pat Buchanan and Pat Robertson)? Now it seems that Romney is adopting the Karl Rove strategy for winning an election, and I really dislike that strategy. If he is so smart, saavy, and practical, why is he trying so hard to pander to inflexible ideologues? It pains me to see him dismiss immigration reform as "amnesty" and to adopt President Bush's position on stem cell research. It seems to me that these are not his real positions on the issues but that he is adopting them solely for political gain. I understand that McCain and Gulianni are already well known moderates and it may make sense to distance himself from them, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I would love to vote for the real Mitt Romney, but I don't want to vote for the Mitt Romney who is trying to do his best George Bush impersonation.
I think you raise fair criticisms. Clearly Romney is using the issues of immigration reform and campaign finance as a means to attract the conservative base and to distinguish himself from McCain. I read an article in Politico that offers the following summation: "Romney intends to exploit what he perceives as two of McCain's great vulnerabilities in the Republican primaries: the McCain-Feingold law, which restricts campaign contributions, and the McCain-Kennedy bill, which would change immigration laws and allow for a guest-worker program." Here is a link to that article: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0307/3000.html.
On immigration, frankly, I wish I understood the issue better. It is one of those difficult, emotional issues where what is best for one family or individual may not be the best policy long-term. Do you know of any good books on the topic?
Chris:
I saw that you commented earlier, but I wasn't sure what your comment meant. I hope you didn't feel like my answer to your question about sound social legislation was short or rude. I didn't mean it as such. Here is a link to an NPR story on Mass.'s health care reform legislation, which, as Ian states, is the model being looked at by many other states: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5330854
yeah, I was cranky after a long day and was hoping for more of an explanation. Thanks for the info:) I hope your weather is starting to warm up like ours!
i didn't even get the meaning of "flip" (as in flip flop) until i read ian's post. hello!?!
i do have a problem with mitt's "flipping" from a moral standpoint...it a question of character. it was only in 1994 that he wrote his letter of advocacy. not really a change in position due to further knowledge and experience; what could he have gained in 13 years that so dramatically change his position from “We must make equality for gays and lesbians a mainstream concern” -- a position he either developed over his previous 47 years of life or pretended then. either way, there is no way to discern which is the "really" romney.
mitt did balance the budget but to the detriment of social services and other programs; i am sorry to say, now opposes gay marriage; supports bush's strategy on iraq; and also "flipped" on his stand on abortion (now firmly pro-life, despite 2002 tolerance for abortion, also vetoed emergency contraception for rape victims).
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That's pretty funny. I usually think the whole "flip flopper" argument is pretty stupid because I don't think there is anything wrong with changing your position based on further knowlege and experience. I don't see it as a flaw to acknowledge that you were wrong and to change direction based on increased enlightenment. But I have to admit that I am getting a little annoyed at the quantity of Romney's flip flops. It seems to me that on every issue that I hear him talk about he is tacking hard to the right in an effort to pander to the far right of the republican party.
Please consider my comments in light of the fact that I volunteered at a Romney campaign event. In Urban Meyer speak, I'm invested in the process. With that caveat, my opinion has always been that actions speak louder than words. Romney's actions, particularly as Governor of Mass. speak to my sensibilities--He balanced the budget four years straight, opposed gay marriage, and effected sound social legislation. The fact that he shares my religious beliefs doesn't hurt, but I view that as frosting, not the cake. I should also say that since working in government, my personal politics have shifted somewhat to the right, particularly on domestic issues. The war is another, very complicated matter. While I'm deeply embarassed that we justified our actions with false information and failed to appreciate or plan for the uncertainty of war, I believe that we have an obligation to mitigate the damage to our troops and to the Iraqi people, and that to cut back support or withdraw would be a huge mistake.
Mr. Scripta, could you talk more about what you mean by "sound social legislation"?
Health Care Reform
Coming into this whole process, I was excited about Romney. He seemed like a smart, capable, practical guy. I really liked his body of work as well: extremely succesfull businesman, great job on the Olympics, great job as the governor of Massachusets (his health care reform was brilliant and is now the model a number of states are trying to follow, he ballanced the budget, and he fought the Massachusetts Supreme Court's gay marriage ruling while still respecting the role of the judiciary).
But what has been bothering me lately is his concerted effort to be seen as the most conservative of the major candidates. Remember when that was a bad position to be in (i.e. Pat Buchanan and Pat Robertson)? Now it seems that Romney is adopting the Karl Rove strategy for winning an election, and I really dislike that strategy. If he is so smart, saavy, and practical, why is he trying so hard to pander to inflexible ideologues? It pains me to see him dismiss immigration reform as "amnesty" and to adopt President Bush's position on stem cell research. It seems to me that these are not his real positions on the issues but that he is adopting them solely for political gain. I understand that McCain and Gulianni are already well known moderates and it may make sense to distance himself from them, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I would love to vote for the real Mitt Romney, but I don't want to vote for the Mitt Romney who is trying to do his best George Bush impersonation.
Ian:
I think you raise fair criticisms. Clearly Romney is using the issues of immigration reform and campaign finance as a means to attract the conservative base and to distinguish himself from McCain. I read an article in Politico that offers the following summation: "Romney intends to exploit what he perceives as two of McCain's great vulnerabilities in the Republican primaries: the McCain-Feingold law, which restricts campaign contributions, and the McCain-Kennedy bill, which would change immigration laws and allow for a guest-worker program." Here is a link to that article: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0307/3000.html.
On immigration, frankly, I wish I understood the issue better. It is one of those difficult, emotional issues where what is best for one family or individual may not be the best policy long-term. Do you know of any good books on the topic?
Chris:
I saw that you commented earlier, but I wasn't sure what your comment meant. I hope you didn't feel like my answer to your question about sound social legislation was short or rude. I didn't mean it as such. Here is a link to an NPR story on Mass.'s health care reform legislation, which, as Ian states, is the model being looked at by many other states: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5330854
yeah, I was cranky after a long day and was hoping for more of an explanation. Thanks for the info:) I hope your weather is starting to warm up like ours!
i didn't even get the meaning of "flip" (as in flip flop) until i read ian's post. hello!?!
i do have a problem with mitt's "flipping" from a moral standpoint...it a question of character. it was only in 1994 that he wrote his letter of advocacy. not really a change in position due to further knowledge and experience; what could he have gained in 13 years that so dramatically change his position from “We must make equality for gays and lesbians a mainstream concern” -- a position he either developed over his previous 47 years of life or pretended then. either way, there is no way to discern which is the "really" romney.
mitt did balance the budget but to the detriment of social services and other programs; i am sorry to say, now opposes gay marriage; supports bush's strategy on iraq; and also "flipped" on his stand on abortion (now firmly pro-life, despite 2002 tolerance for abortion, also vetoed emergency contraception for rape victims).
he did do a great job with the SLC olympics.
xoxo
c
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